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Recording NPR’s ‘Tiny Desk Concert’ Podcast at ‘Home’

Audio engineer Josh Rogosin keeps NPR's "Tiny Desk Concert" podcast series alive during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Josh Rogosin
Audio engineer Josh Rogosin at the Tiny Desk Concert in-house FOH position.

Washington, DC (February 25, 2021)—National Public Radio’s Tiny Desk Concert was created by accident, but today, the audio and video podcast series is NPR’s flagship music program, having produced more than 1,000 musical performances streamed billions of times on YouTube and audio podcasting platforms since 2008. Once the COVID-19 pandemic took hold in March 2020, however, three months of scheduled tapings dropped from the books and left staff wondering what to do next.

The Tiny Desk team pivoted to a home recording situation as a temporary fix that allowed them to continue delivering performances, which it dubbed Tiny Desk (Home) Concerts. Audio engineer Josh Rogosin and the Tiny Desk Concert team put together a one-sheet rider for guests with instructions and tips for getting a well-recorded signal at home, and jumped into producing the show remotely.

Lous and The Yakuza performed a Tiny Desk (Home) concert from the Book Bar in the Hôtel Grand Amour in Paris.

“What’s happening with a lot of the home concerts is we’re relinquishing a lot of our control/demands,” said Rogosin. “When everyone comes into the office, there’s no wiggle room when it comes to, ‘Hey, we really want you to try this without monitors at least to start.’” The result [of virtual production] runs the gamut from simple recordings made on a smartphone or an app like Photo Booth, which is how Norah Jones recorded her performance, to produced, live-in-the-studio recordings.

Recording Tiny Desk Concerts Before the Pandemic

The roots of the Tiny Desk Concert series go back to NPR’s All Songs Considered, which Bob Boilen began as an internet radio program in 2000. During a South by Southwest Music Festival showcase in 2008, when Boilen couldn’t hear singer-songwriter Laura Gibson over the crowd noise, he invited her to perform at his desk at NPR headquarters in Washington, D.C. She called his bluff, and the Tiny Desk Concert was born.

“This was all before podcasting existed,” said Rogosin. “All Songs Considered was an internet-only radio show, which, in my opinion, paved the way for podcasting.”

The ethos of Tiny Desk Concert is to strip musical performances of the studio polish and return them to their core elements, as if the musicians were playing around a campfire. Artists who perform on the program generally don’t get in-ear or wedge monitors, and those whose performances rely on electronics and effects are given a short leash.

While the concerts are no longer in person at the NPR offices, Rogosin still mixes everything before air.

“That forces musicians to play quieter and more dynamically, and it also forces them to listen to each other in a much different way,” he said. “The setup lends itself to a much different vibe and performance that you’re not used to hearing. Before all this technology existed, musicians got together in a room and they had to play dynamically enough so they could hear themselves and each other.”

Every performance at Tiny Desk Concert revolves around a stereo shotgun mic—it’s so integral, in fact, that it makes a cameo in the pre-roll for every video. Chosen for its “bright, airy and realistic” characteristics, the Sennheiser MKH 418-S picks up speech, vocals and musical instruments from a distance, well outside of the camera shot. Rogosin has evolved the production to include additional shotgun mics, as well as the ability to run direct-outs from keyboard and bass amps. He records to up to three Sound Devices 788T (24-bit, 48k) eight-channel recorders for 8, 16 or 24 channels of audio.

From there, Rogosin imports the raw files into Pro Tools for light treatment from Waves and iZotope plug-ins before mastering in iZotope Ozone. “In terms of level, every Tiny Desk Concert is mastered and matches every other Tiny Desk Concert, so if you go into a binge situation, hopefully you’re not fiddling with your volume dial between concerts. Everything is mastered to the same specifications.”

Rogosin ensures the podcast has the same specs as the video version of the program, with a target of -16 LUFS with a peak at -2. “NPR has [Nugen] audio software, so I try to master as close as possible to what the robots are going to do to it once I upload it to our CMS. The audio robots analyze the file and level it, basically, so when it pulls up in our podcast feeds across the network, it will match.”

Tiny Desk Concerts audio tile

Although Boilen never intended for the series to leave his actual desk at NPR, by adapting to the constraints of the pandemic, Rogosin and team have been able to deliver new performances to music-hungry audiences.

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“You’ll see in some of the comments, ‘This is really cool and thank God we have this, but we can’t wait to get back to the real Tiny Desk,’” Rogosin said. “There’s something about that space, the live audience aspect—it’s just NPR employees—and also what we have [the artists] do by not relying on any crutches.”